As Sean “Hoagie Hero” Dunn goes on trial in DC for throwing a sandwich at an immigration agent, we learn what a “husher” is. A judge in New York yanks the seal off of another harassment campaign against Trump’s enemies. The Oregon national guard remains federalized but not deployed. And we’ve got a deep dive into all the many illegal ways Trump is tryin…
Ep 179 — Trial Judges Learn To Hunt In Packs
On trial for a hoagie sandwich; Trump enemy grand jury trial unsealed; Oregon National Guard deployment on hold; how many one-weird-tricks for attorney appointments?
Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez
Nov 04, 2025
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Law and Chaos Podcast
Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalist Liz Dye and practicing lawyer Andrew Torrez break down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalist Liz Dye and practicing lawyer Andrew Torrez break down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered.Listen on
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